DAVOR'S VILI ROM

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I was not the owner or breeder of VILI and maybe I’m not “the right” person to write a story about this great animal. But since his breeder Davor never wrote anything about him, and besides Davor himself, very few dogmen know as much about VILI blood as I do. This is why I think my view on that dog will be just as good! I had the privilege to pet this animal with my own hands! I saw him in his 2^nd match with my own eyes, I was bred my best producing bitch to him back in 1997. But, to start from the beginning. It was somewhere in the mid 80s when Davor from Croatia purchased a double breed daughter of Ljubomir’s THOR (aka CHICO), directly from Ljubomir Obradovic in Belgrade, Serbia. She was heavily, and I mean “heavily” inbred on Country Boys VENTJE. VENTJE was a well known dog in Holland, he won 2 in short order and lost 2, showing to be a deadgame specimen (R.I.P.). He lost his last vs Mr.Nobody’s CH ROCKY. This little inbred pup got by Davor was named RIA. She was crippled due to heavy inbreeding, her knees on her back legs dislocated every time she made a fast move. Because of that she was never rolled. Davor kept her in his house like a house pet. She was his main producing bitch, he always believed in her, because of the way she was bred.

NENAD'S RIA

At that time there weren’t many pit bulls in this area. The chances of finding a worthy stud dog for her, weren’t very good. After studying the pedigree of Ganja’s BLACK MAGIC (aka MAD MAX), Davor chose him to be bred to his RIA, to outcross her. He traveled to meet the owner of MAD MAX who was Sine Leskovar in Ljubljana, Slovenia. This is where the breeding was done. 2 months later RIA whelped a litter of 7 pups, all females. But Davor wanted males too! So sometime later he repeated that breeding.

That time he gets what he wanted, a few males and females. The second litter I believe was born somewhere in 1989. Besides VILI himself, in that 2nd litter also were born his brothers T&B Kennels CH. BRICK and Biser’s BULDO 1W. I saw both dogs with my own eyes in the box, both were very good. BULDO was one of the biggest, hardest mouthed dogs I have ever seen. He won his contracted match in only 9 min with one single hold under his opponents left shoulder, there was blood all over the arena. His opponent was a son of WHAM ROM and he didn’t have any chance. His owners picked him up, wisely. That match was at catchweight, BULDO was 31-32 kg (68-70.51bs) of raw power. He was a black dog with white feet, bulldog type build with an abnormally big head and extremely hard mouth. His owner went to a war that started here in our country and BULDO went with him to the front lines. His career as a match dog ended there. CH. BRICK on the other hand, was a brown dog, with a different style, he was smart, he could fight the defensive and offensive way when he needed to. He was matched 3 kg (61bs) over his true pit weight, he was fat. He was owned by Brothers Kennel from my town. He won 1, then lost to Ljubisa’s CH. KING. I saw that match. BRICK kicked KING’S ass for about a half hour. Then, being fat and in poor condition, he went down, overheated. KING was a true finisher, he pulls ahead and BRICK was picked up at 45 min. He scratched back very game on 3 wheels. His owners were disappointed when they got an offer from T&B Kennels to buy BRICK from them, off course Brothers agreed to sell him. T&B purchased BRICK and young SVRCO (VILI x BONNIE). They matched BRICK 2 more times at his proper weight 24.5 kg (541bs). I saw his last match for Championship in Sinj. BRICK went into Barac’s PINKY who was a 2X winner at that time and IX loser. They both were 2x winners, and they both lost lx against the same dog, Ljubisa’s CH. KING. BRICK won Championship over PINKY fair and square in lhr 45min, both scratched game at the end. Before to go back to VILI, I just want to mention few more females which were from those 2 breedings of BLACK MAGIC x RIA. One red female was sold to Silvio from Zadar. He named her IRA and after her schooling was over, he decided to keep her as his main brood bitch. His main stud dog was WHAM a 2W at the time and Silvio bred them. He got several litters out of WHAM and IRA. Most known dogs from these are Ljubisa’s CH.

KING (the dog who beat CH. BRICK), Galesich’s CH. MEGY 3W, Galesich’s RAY 2W 1L and Kuba’s CHARLIE 1W 1L. Two females from BLACK MAGIC x RIA litter went to Serbia. One black bitch named MEGY won 1 in short order then lost game to Bijeljina Boys CH. BELA in lhr 25min. Mr. Radonjic and many other old timers say that match was one of the greatest matches ever. I saw that match on videotape. MEGY was double smaller than CH. BELA, in any case BELA was too smart to lose that match, MEGY scratched back game. Another female which was exported to Serbia was named MEXY. All I know about her is that she produced one good dog. Djindja’s GR. CH. JEEP 6W, who lost his 7th vs Montenegro’s CH. JOCKER.

 I know of 2 more sisters to VILI, one is Davor’s KORA. I saw her match when she lost against David’s CH. ORCA. Funny match, ORCA was in great shape, ideal pit weight at 23 kg (50.51bs). Big females, but KORA was fat at that weight. She looked as was full of puppies! I guess her true weight was 421bs. KORA was picked up at 45 min and she scratched back. Last sister of VILI I know about is GINA. She is known because she produced Ljuzda Kennels CH. PATAK 3W 1L ( 2 .05), when was breed to VILI. Now let’s go back to VILI, to understand the true point of the VILI story, I wanted you to know a little bit more about his littermates and bloodline who runs behind him. 

DAVOR'S KORA (POR)

I believe Davor started schooling VILI when he was only 15 months old. He liked him from the start more than his other littermates, he saw that VILI is the “special” dog. VILI was a beautiful animal, tall, heavy boned, perfect back, shining black color, white feet and meaningfull red eyes. I don’t know much about his schooling days, but my friend Edo from GB Kennels, who is a close friend to Davor told me that VILI was rolled once into his brother CH. BRICK for 30 min. BRICK was game and bigger, but couldn’t keep VILI off. Davor sold BRICK after, but he kept VILI in his yard. It have been said that BRICK, being bigger, dominated for 20min. After that VILI kicked his ass and Davor stopped the roll there to save BRICK because VILI wanted to kill him. VILI was roled few times but I don’t know much about that, only that he was Davor’s favourite. Anyway, VILI won his first contracted fight at 22.5 kg (49.51bs). He won in a half hour over T&B Kennels ART. I didn’t saw that match, but I heard VILI totally outclassed ART. I saw the 2nd match of VILI. Well, truly there was a disaster around that match. The match was supposed to be in Pag, a beautiful island where Davor and his VILI lived. Lots of dogmens arrived to see that match. VILI was set to go into Wermacht Kennels’ SATAN there on that little Island. But unfortunately there was so many of us arrived in cars on an island as small as Pag is, more than 200 people had arrived in a village with 10 houses! Hahaha, we were so suspicious to everybody and of course the Special Police Forces arrived and arrested us all before the match even started. They didn’t know what was going on and after a few hours in the Police Station they let us and dogs go. Most of the dogmen were tired and headed back home, a few of us were wondering if the match was still going to happen or not? The owners of the dogs talked it over. Many things were against SATAN that night, he was tired and lighter because of all the troubles, but his owner Buda decided to let him go anyway. 

CH T & B KENNELS' BRICK 3W 1L

We sat in 4 or 5 cars with the 2 opponents and headed to Zadar in Silvio’s yard to face those dogs. When we arrived it was 2 in the morning. The dogs were weighed and SATAN was 2.5 kg (5.51bs) lighter than VILI. It was not fair to go, but Buda decided to try anyway. Of course, it was an easy one for VILI. He won without any problems in 13 mins, SATAN was picked up to be saved. What did I think about VILI when I saw him go then? Many people think he was just a one way destroyer because his matches were short. This is not true or right. The truth is that many of his offspring are strictly offensive, hard driving dogs, but VILI wasn’t so! He was a complete bulldog, he would go for the head at the start to learn what his opponent was going to do, he was this smart of a dog. When he saw that his opponent was too weak for him, he started with a great finish. He had a hard mouth and was a very talented and fast fighter. Well, I would say one of the best I’d ever seen and I’ve seen plenty, you can believe that! VILI had great air, he was easy to condition. Above all, he was “super powered”, an extremely naturally strong dog! And that characteristic is still today a main trademark of the VILI bloodline –The Super Power! VILI bred dogs usually come in black, with white chest and paws, or they come in red with white chest and paws. All are heavy boned, with big heads and a very heavy muscle structure. They all have a very rough temper, they are never shy with humans, it’s more often they act the other way. There were rumors back then that a match of the year was to be held - Ljubisa’s CH. KING vs VILI 2W. That rumor was somewhere in 93’, but the match didn’t happen. Davor never matched any dog after that. He decided to be a breeder only and had very good success with VILI as a stud dog. I think Davor should try to get VILI at least a Championship title because he was a great match dog in my eyes. But Davor decided to use him only as his main stud dog, not to risk him. At time when VILI was 7 or 8 yrs old, a man from Italy arrived in Davor’s yard. His name was Di Gregorio and he bought VILI and his sister KORA from Davor for an extremely large amount of money and took them both to South Italy.

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NONSENSE ABOUT STEROIDS BY STEVE AKA THE BODY GUARD

01 Steroids do nothing to affect your dog’s ability, talent or gameness. As for a dog acting like a “maniac” this may or may not be related to the roids. Dogs can become very “difficult” when they are peaked correctly with no steroids at all. They start feeling very good about themselves, etc. Steroids can give a similar feeling of euphoria to your dog but don’t overestimate it. There is a drug that you can use on game day to give them this same effect if you are foolish enough to believe this is the benefit of anabolics.

02 There is no reason that the proper administration of anabolics will cause a dog to run hot. Better to look at other reasons for a dog running hot. Notice I said “proper administration”. If you do it wrong, well then there is plenty to go wrongin addition to running “hot”.

03 Some valiant warrior wanted to imply that humans and dogs alike that take roids have something missing “deep down” when it comes down to it. LOL. I’m a competitive power lifter and fighter too. And I’m clean. But I do recognize the false call and spoiled grapes of the drug free in attempting to denigrate anything accomplished while using anabolics. Well, you better get busier. Because anabolics account for most of your Olympic track and field records, lifting records, etc. A large percentage of baseball players, football players and some basketball player’s use. Stop kidding yourself and stop judging others. Take pride in your own accomplishments and stop trying to convince everyone that enhanced dogs or humans somehow accomplished less because they used roids. And, if you competed in powerlifting and “never lost to someone on steroids”, you haven’t competed much I don’t want to get personal but the cry of the drug free has always been a hollow one. It’s sour grapes. The drug assisted athlete works just as hard and arguably harder than the drug free athlete. If you disagree, I can post the reasons why. And a little known fact that I want to emphasize is that anabolics work better for those with superior genetics. I just love the drug free guy that has never accomplished anything saying that he could do this or do that if he only took anabolics. Chances are he could not do this or that unless god blessed him with different parents Please don’t take this personal ...its not meant to insult and I apologize if I did ...

04 Anabolics should not be thought of as a “game day” aid. Anabolics are your insurance policy during the keep. If used properly, your dog can work harder and recover from the workouts faster. It’s as simple as that.

05 Using anabolics doesn’t guarantee you bring the “stronger” dog. This depends wholly on the type of work you did during your keep. Anabolics do not magically make a human or dog stronger. The specific strength work needs to be done.

06 Just when I think I’ve read as many fairy tales as I can about anabolics, I read that we’ve got dogs dying younger because of anabolic use. Hogwash. There is not a single study attributing any death of human or animal to anabolics. Now, you can cause a myriad of problems by ABUSING anabolics. But remember, when we discuss side effects, we must distinguish between therapeutic dosages and ABUSIVE dosages. You will be hard pressed to find any long term effects from therapeutic dosages of anabolics for short term use. Don’t tell me about this bodybuilder or that. They ABUSE anabolics. Want proof of long term safety? Look no further than male hormone replacement patients.

07 Everyone tends to lump all anabolics together. There are dozens of different anabolic compounds each with different properties and different affects upon the body. To say that all steroids cause liver and kidney damage is just plain wrong. The simplest distinguishing factor (and there are others) is between oral and inject able anabolics. Inject able anabolics have virtually no affect upon the liver. Oral anabolics do but the affects are often exaggerated and the liver values return to normal upon cessation. Only specific compounds affect the kidneys and only rarely. Whatever the compound, kidney function, liver function, etc return to normal upon cessation of the drug if the same was not ABUSED. Even during instances of ABUSE, normal function often returns. And finally, and I’ve written about this before, your chances of shortening the life of a match dog from proper use of anabolics are slim and none. If you desire a more

complete explanation, just ask.

08 I want to make this a separate point again; you will do no long term damage to your dog from therapeutic dosages of anabolics administered for a reasonable period of time.

09 Some of the best conditioners today use anabolics and others do not. The choice to use anabolics

or not is like the choices between treadmills, cat mills, or road work. Kemmer always brought a dog in shape and has never used an anabolic. G always brought a dog in shape and used. Its personal preference. Both of these H&C are examples of so called “fast lane” doggers but someone made a terrific point; what the hell is “fast lane”. LOL. At the end of the day, there is only winning and losing. “Fast lane” is a bunch of bullshit. Some of the worst doggers I have ever seen can wager $50,000 on a match and some of the best I’ve seen cannot do more than a couple thousand. Competition is where you find it, not for how much. Someone started a post on another board more than a year ago trying to define “fast lane”. But I still can’t define it for you.

10 Not all anabolic compounds are created equal. Some I would never recommend for human or dog.

11 I’m losing my trend of thought so let me end it with this; anabolics will provide a conditioning edge. I like to think of it as an insurance policy against overwork. One of the worst things you can do to a human or a dog is overwork. Depending on how far you went over that cliff into the realm of overtraining, it could take days, weeks or even months to get back to normal. A good conditioner can bring a dog into the box in just as good shape and just as strong with or without the drugs. Remember, there is no suitable comparison of human endeavor to what happens in the box. To make the blanket statement that the dog on anabolics will always be stronger and in better shape is oversimplification and just wrong. There are too many factors on what constitutes being in good shape when a dog hits the box.

12 Bottom line...If you do not know exactly what you are doing, stay away from them. They can cause you trouble with moisture and weight. They are even more difficult to use successfully and properly with bitches. And lastly, it’s a personal choice like peak vs. metabolol, creatine or not, raw meat or dry feed, treadmill or roadwork, cat mill or treadmill and so forth. You want to use anabolics? Well then you can to that list of choices winstrol or deca (or any dozen of others)? 6 weeks? 8 weeks or 10 weeks? Dose? Stack? Effect on metabolism? Oh yes, one compound in particular affects the metabolism to a pronounced degree. I could go on but I’m not trying to be thorough, just making a point and food for thought.

13 Ooops...one more thing. LOL. Trenbolone acetate as found in Finaplex and administered by some with DMSO is not a rub!! LOL. First, it’s a piss poor way to administer trenbolone but that’s beside the point. It is not a rub. DMSO is known to give off a garlic type odor but if your dog is spitting out holds because of some garlic odor, I dare suggest you brought the wrong dog Or, and much more likely, he was spitting out holds for reasons entirely unrelated to the DMSO or trenbolone. This last item is the biggest fairy tale I’ve read in recent times and it seems to continue to circulate. I hope I have removed from your mind some of the misconceptions.

JENNY BY FAT BILL

WACCAMAW'S YARD (2002)

ILARIO KENNEL'S INTERVIEW

SDN: What bloodlines you started ?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: I get some dogs from Radonjic in Montenegro, they was sons of BAM BAM with inside great dogs like CH. MARSHALL (4XW).

SDN: Yes excellent bloodlines, has some animal at this time in particular that you liked?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: At this time i was young in sport and i no was able to understand the best way to take. I can say this blood from Jumbo rom are the best game ever i see in my life.

SDN: You had some sons of Jumbo Rom?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: I never get direct son of him. Only some work line blood from him.

SDN: Today what bloodlines do you work?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: Principally Red Boy but i have some from Snooty-Yankee-Disney.

SDN: What do you like these bloodlines?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: My Red Boy blood have some good characteristic, one of them are extreme bite. Snooty-Yankee-Disney i use principally for cross with my Red Boy.

PURE BLOOD & KORALS JERRY 2XW

SDN: Which their best athletes today?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: JERRY 2XW (CH ILARIO & PURE BLOOD’S PAN 4XW-1XGL x NEVENA 1xw) is a great example of cross Red Boy x Disney blood. He is young but he collects 2 victories in top competition.

SDN: In those 13 years that you participate in Game Dog what the best kennels in your opinion?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: In Balkan more kennels are and was in top list. But more rest in this scale only for one or two years. I can say with sure the kennels collect many victory are bingo knl-sirmiun knl-pera's knl-alfa kennel. Is very incredible but i think kennels like sirmiun and bingo collect more than 10 Ch. and also several Gr Ch. About modern kennels i must say best are scepan from Montenegro-Brothers kennel (Montenegro)-Beden & Kokani (Montenegro) this 3 are really dangerous opponent

SDN: The Balkans region is known for quality dogs, and we know it's hard to win away from home, especially if the Balkans. What do you think the kennels Balkans have that make them so difficult to be beaten?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: in Balkans level of selection is harder than USA or Europe. The laws make them freer then other region or states. So this help they to keep more dogs in easy manner. No so many dogmans come from out to match in EX YU. I remember the old captain ben, he meet in Croatia Ch. Camel from Serbia. Captain lose. After that event i remember the chosen few come and beat Smart kennel in Serbia with Gr Ch. Chilindrina. And come back again to meet Ch. Kid with his Ch. Lindo but lose. I think every country have great dogs, but who travel are always disadvantage. I work with dogs in Balkans and i must say thanks, but is also truth i never see one Balkan kennel travel so far.

SDN: Tell me about your top athletes, and CH ILARIO & PURE BLOOD’S PAN 4XW-1XGL and CH PURE BLOOD & ILARIO’S(E.P.S.’) ZUTA, how they came to their kennel ?

CH E.P.S. & ILARIO'S ZUTA

ILARIO’S KENNEL: CH  PAN  born in yard of my partner PBK, pan is indeed the best dog i ever see in my life. Best shaker and quickly to finish his opponent. He no look like fighter but like a predator. CH ZUTA are from Beatered kennel handled and conditioned from our friend EPS kennel. She are good one with a lot of great quality, she win 3 match in short time and after that take 4 forfeit and never get a match. I think CH PAN and CH ZUTA are some of best 10 fast line dogs from Balkans ever.

SDN: You could say who did their training, and how was this training?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: Me and my team we use a good food for trainer like royal canine energy 4,800 or barf diet. Our keep training is very classic: walk-run-swim-weigh pool, we no use treadmills. Off course we use doping, blood doping like EPO. But i use steroids only if i have dogs with no so much power and they need help. I must say i prefer blood doping then steroids.

SDN: Steroids which you use on your dog? Someone who must take special care?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: I personal put steroids in my dogs and i don’t believe from nobody in this side. In this many years i learn so good how to use them and i keep for me the secret.

SDN:  CH PURE BLOOD & ILARIO’S (E.P.S.’) ZUTA and pan faced many opponents, which are harder to beaten?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: CH  ZUTA finish all his opponent in short time, CH PAN  lose his 4th but i think in other condition was able to kill rhino. This night we lose us no CH PAN . But in sport all can happened.

SDN: Currently on Facebook and other social medias there was a boom ''dogmans'', people who are anxious to sell animals without being tested or without quality. What you think about that?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: I have open mind: i leave to peddlers continue their business. And the fighters continue theirs battle. I see many men build a name of kennel with 4 dogs, or think to be a dogman only to do 3 matches in all life. Modern dogmans are afraid to match in fair manner. They like be a start in forum and talk...talk in internet are free. They must be selling their dogs by Kilo, just like they sell pigs and chicken in the markets, just sell by kilo. More good people, but a rotten guy can lead the innocent astray, with the Web sites and talk nonsense. That's why I may seem a bit 'crazy in pursuing these vendors. Once you lose some battles are gone, this is their character. CURS. 

SDN: What is the best fight of CH  PAN  ?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: I dont have one i prefer, i like all of him because is my favorite. I think best match i see in my life are PBK& KORAL JORDAN 1xd vs. POZNJIAK RED RAMBO 2xw 1xd 2xlg. Incredible match with a lot of suspense. Was over at 2,40. Both dogs fast and hard. Amazing show...with dead game scratch from Jordan grandsire to CH PAN .

SDN: To terminate the interview something else you want to talk?

ILARIO’S KENNEL: yes i want say thanks to Mr. Radonjic for help with keep in this last years, to my partner PBK, i must say he always agree my side and help me in hard moment. Pbk is a real dogman who never dribbling one match for fear. Without this 2 person i never got this result.

SDN: Thank you very much for the interview.

ILARIO’S KENNEL: Thank you and enjoy in sport.